Conversation – 17
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Heroes
Song by David BowieI, I will be king
And you, you will be queen
Though nothing will drive them away
We can beat them, just for one day
We can be heroes, just for one day
And you, you can be mean
And I, I’ll drink all the time
‘Cause we’re lovers, and that is a fact
Yes we’re lovers, and that is that
Though nothing will keep us together
We could steal time just for one day
We can be heroes for ever and ever
What d’you say?
I, I wish you could swim
Like the dolphins, like dolphins can swim
Though nothing, nothing will keep us together
We can beat them, for ever and ever
Oh we can be Heroes, just for one day
I, I will be king
And you, you will be queen
Though nothing will drive them away
We can be Heroes, just for one day
We can be us, just for one day
I, I can remember (I remember)
Standing, by the wall (by the wall)
And the guns, shot above our heads (over our heads)
And we kissed, as though nothing could fall (nothing could fall)
And the shame, was on the other side
Oh we can beat them, for ever and ever
Then we could be Heroes, just for one day
We can be Heroes
We can be Heroes
We can be Heroes
Just for one day
We can be Heroes
We’re nothing, and nothing will help us
Maybe we’re lying, then you better not stay
But we could be safer, just for one day
Oh-oh-oh-ohh, oh-oh-oh-ohh, just for one day -
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The underrated genius of David Bowie’s acting
s we approach the 75th anniversary of Bowie’s birth, we explore his unpredictable film roles. Every part he played was ‘in conversation with his many alter egos’, argues Rachel Pronger.
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One of the many pioneering elements of David Bowie’s career was his commitment to the visual. For Bowie, sound and vision went hand in hand. His many star personas – Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Major Tom – each came with their own fully realised aesthetic worlds, costumes, make-up and artwork that were as instantly recognisable as the music itself. Long before the advent of MTV, Bowie was making short films to promote his music, and he would go on to push the boundaries of the form with iconic videos such as Ashes to Ashes. Indeed, Bowie’s final gift to the world came in filmic form – the video for his last single Lazarus was released on 7 January 2016, just three days before his death.It’s unsurprising that this most mercurial of artists, with his visual sensibility and many alter-egos, would be drawn to film. Yet, while Bowie’s legendary status in music is beyond question, quantifying his contribution to cinema as an actor is more complicated. In the three decades between The Man Who Fell to Earth (1976) and The Prestige (2006), Bowie appeared in dozens of films but – despite that span of credits – only a few of these roles came close to making the most of his talent. When we leave aside the many cameos – of which the uncontested crème de le crème is Bowie solemnly adjudicating a runway walk-off in Zoolander – and the forgettable flops – the less said about Just a Gigolo, the better – we are left with only a handful of performances. Yet those acting roles that did manage to effectively exploit Bowie’s gifts are easily enough to secure his status as a cinema icon. When matched with an inventive director, Bowie could be an unforgettable screen presence.
From the start of his career, Bowie was an artist who often turned to cinema for inspiration. Whether referencing Stanley Kubrick on Space Oddity, posing like Greta Garbo on the cover of Hunky Dory or channelling German expressionism as the Thin White Duke, Bowie was constantly drawing on film iconography in his music. Filmmakers quickly identified his potential as a subject, with documentaries such as DA Pennebaker’s Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1979) and Alan Yentob’s Cracked Actor (1975) capturing spectacular live performances and intimate behind-the-scenes footage.
Cracked Actor depicts Bowie at the height of his 1970s fame, rattled by cocaine, and driven to the brink of sanity by the pressures of stardom. It was this image of a strung-out Bowie driving around LA in the back of a limousine that inspired Nicolas Roeg to cast the musician in his first major film role. The Man Who Fell to Earth is the story of Thomas Newton, an alien on a rescue mission from his home planet who crash-lands on Earth and ends up stranded in the New Mexico desert. Disguised as a human, Newton attempts to raise money for a new spaceship by selling alien technologies but soon becomes corrupted by human vices.
Without Bowie, The Man Who Fell to Earth would be an intriguing curio; with him, it becomes a classic
By 1975, Roeg had already established his reputation with arthouse landmarks such as Walkabout and Don’t Look Now. The Man Who Fell to Earth brought together one of the most interesting directors of the 1970s with the decade’s defining popstar, and the result is a trippy triumph. Like Bowie’s music, the film mashes up genres – sci-fi, political thriller, romance – and channels the counter-cultural mood of the time to create something bracingly new. With a fragmented, often confusing narrative, it’s a genuinely risky film that feels as if it could crash land at any moment, but which is held together by a magnetic central performance. Without Bowie, The Man Who Fell to Earth would be an intriguing curio; with him, it becomes a classic.Part of Bowie’s power lies in his astonishing physical presence. Pale and emaciated, with streaks of red hair falling into mismatched eyes, Bowie requires little make-up to convince as an alien in disguise. A series of retro costumes – wide fedoras, loose high-waisted trousers, tight white T-shirts – draw out his androgynous beauty and emphasise Newton’s genderless nature. That blurring of gender boundaries is reflected too in Bowie’s frail physicality and delicate movements. Bowie’s Newton moves initially with the faltering steps of someone learning to walk again. When he collapses in a hotel lift, chambermaid and future lover Cindy Lou (Candy Clarke) scoops him into her arms, and carries him to bed as if he weighs nothing at all.
But there is more to this performance than a dazzling surface. In the throes of his addiction, Bowie was in a fragile mental state during the shoot, and his sense of dissociation is perhaps part of what makes him so frighteningly credible as a stranded alien. At times, as Bowie oscillates between sweet helplessness and terrifying volatility, it feels more like a possession than a performance. Scenes in which Newton succumbs to addiction, sitting before a wall of wailing televisions or stirring his drinks with a gun, crackle with manic energy. The final image of Newton slumped in his seat, just another with nowhere to go, is devastating.
By casting Bowie, Roeg encourages us to blur the boundaries between character and performer, and in doing so draws out new layers of meaning. Newton, adrift in cowboy country with a London accent and British papers, is an alien in several senses. It’s possible to read the film as a straight sci-fi, but also as a metaphor for the outsider status of the immigrant, for the loneliness of genius or for the isolation of celebrity. Much of Bowie’s art feels like it comes from another planet but, as his tender performance demonstrates, to be exceptional can be alienating.
In The Man Who Fell to Earth, Roeg set the template that would define Bowie’s film career. All of his most successful screen performances share certain hallmarks – an unusually imaginative director, a role as an exceptional outsider, a blurring between star persona and character. Music critics tend to praise Bowie’s chameleonic quality, his ability to switch from extra-terrestrial rock to blue-eyed soul to polished pop in the blink of an eye. Yet as an actor, Bowie was no chameleon – instead of disappearing into his roles, he floated above them, always a level removed. This distance meant that every part Bowie played was inevitably in conversation with his many alter egos, and with the nature of fame itself.
Reality and performance
Bowie’s most effective performances tap into that meta-commentary. An example of this is his brief but memorable appearance as Andy Warhol in Julian Schnabel’s biopic Basquiat (1996). Based on Schnabel’s friendship with the artist Jean-Michel Basquiat, the film is full of characters modelled on real people from the 1980s New York art scene. In real life, Warhol was a hero of Bowie’s – there’s a song dedicated to him on Hunky Dory – and the two had crossed paths at parties. By casting Bowie, Schnabel has one legendary artist disguise themselves as another, and in doing so taps into the same ideas about fame that defined Warhol’s art. Bowie delivers a delightfully ironic turn, peering out from beneath a silver shock wig (taken from Warhol’s real-life wig collection), his lip curled in constant amusement. In a film that sometimes takes itself too seriously, Bowie delivers a dose of wry camp, playfully exposing the shallow nature of artworld celebrity and once again blurring the boundaries between reality and performance.
In The Hunger, Bowie’s creature of the night is exquisitely stylish and devastatingly sexy
On a similar wavelength, but even better, is Bowie’s supporting role as the inventor Nikola Tesla in Christopher Nolan’s tricksy period thriller The Prestige (2006). Tesla was another famous maverick, a Serbian-born pioneer of electronic engineering who died in 1943 after a troubled but influential life. In Bowie’s interpretation, Tesla becomes a kind of real-life twin to Thomas Newton, a displaced genius who teases the boundary between magic and science – and is ultimately destroyed by the greed of those who surround him. Like Newton, Bowie’s Tesla arrives with a bang, appearing apparently from nowhere in a cloud of sparks. Bowie’s occasionally extravagant performance – all lustrous moustache and lilting, indeterminate accent – is tempered by a core of vulnerability that grounds this archetypal mad scientist in poignant reality.The same otherworldly quality that makes Bowie’s takes on Warhol and Tesla so successful, is also used to beguiling effect in two 1980s cult classics. Jim Henson’s fantasy Labyrinth (1986) was a commercial disappointment on first release but has since become a cult favourite. Bowie’s justifiably much-loved performance as the Goblin King is key to the film’s appeal. Resplendent in bejewelled blouses, outrageously tight trousers and a shocking wig that tops even Warhol’s, Bowie relishes the opportunity to play the villain. On his own terms, Henson was himself something of a genius, and like Roeg he delivers a series of memorable images that capitalise on his star’s incandescent charisma. Bowie’s Jareth fizzes with mischievous magic, as he materialises like a shimmering apparition in an open window or strides upside-down across rotating Escher-indebted stairways.
Tony Scott’s uneven The Hunger (1983) is less satisfying overall but does offer the tantalising prospect of Bowie as one half of a stylish vampire couple alongside Catherine Deneuve. The Hunger came out immediately after the release of Bowie’s phenomenally successful Let’s Dance album, and the role offers a goth twist on his slickly handsome 80s pop persona. Bowie’s creature of the night is exquisitely stylish and devastatingly sexy, prowling blue-lit Manhattan nightclubs in sunglasses searching for his next fix. The film is worth watching for Bowie’s elegantly unhinged performance and for its moments of delirious excess, such as an exhilarating opening sequence in which Bowie and Deneuve procure a couple of hipsters for dinner to an unsettling Bauhaus soundtrack.
In the same year that Bowie went full goth in The Hunger, he also delivered one of his most substantial and grounded performances. In Nagisa Ōshima’s Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence (1983), Bowie stars as Major Celliers, a South African soldier serving in Java during World War Two, who is captured and sent to a brutal Japanese prison camp. In confinement, Celliers becomes a leadership figure for his fellow prisoners and an object of obsession for the camp’s commander Captain Yonoi (Ryuichi Sakamoto).
In many ways, this is Bowie’s straightest performance. Tanned and movie-star handsome, aside from his endearingly crooked British teeth, Bowie’s Celliers initially embodies dignified masculine power. Yet, as is always the case with his best performances, Bowie brings to the surface a subversive subtext, drawing out the queerness that lies beneath many war-movie tropes. As the film progresses, Celliers infuriates his captors with increasingly transgressive acts of rebellion, showing his contempt for authority through flamboyant performances, singing songs, collecting flowers and even by kissing Yonoi. By casting Bowie alongside fellow musician Sakamoto (a legendary popstar in his own right), Ōshima presents us with a face-off between two titans of 20th-Century music. The homoerotic tension between the pair culminates in an ambiguous moment when, having sentenced Celliers to be buried alive, Yanoi visits the condemned man to cut a lock of his hair, like a fan or a lover would. The film’s climactic image of Celliers buried neck-deep in the sand, his hair bleached by the blazing sun, is an arresting tableau fit for an album cover.
In the aftermath of the star’s death, such indelible images have gained new significance. Bowie’s death robbed us of future music, but it also took away the possibility of more film roles, of more opportunities for this most unusual of artists to enchant and surprise us at the cinema. Not all of Bowie’s roles were worthy of his talent, but those that were have at least left us with some kind of compensation. The Starman may be gone, but some element of his extraordinary charisma will always remain, a glittering after-image burned forever on to the silver screen.
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China Girl
David BowieOh, little China girl
Oh, little China girl
I couldn’t escape this feeling with my China girl
I feel a wreck without my little China girl
I hear her heart beating, loud as thunder
Saw these stars crashing
I’m a mess without my little China girl
Wake up in the morning, where’s my little China girl?
I hear her heart is beating, loud as thunder
I saw these stars crashing down
I’m feeling tragic like I’m Marlon Brando
When I look at my China girl
And I could pretend that nothing really meant too much
When I look at my China girl
I stumble into town
Just like a sacred cow
Visions of swastikas in my head
Plans for everyone
It’s in the white of my eyes
My little China girl
You shouldn’t mess with me
I’ll ruin everything you are
You know
I’ll give you television
I’ll give you eyes of blue
I’ll give you a man who wants to rule the world
And when I get excited
My little China girl says
“Oh, baby, just you shut your mouth”
She says, “Ssh”
She says “Ssh”
She says
She says
And when I get excited
My little China girl says
“Oh, baby, just you shut your mouth”
And when I get excited
My little China girl says
“Oh, baby, just you shut your mouth”
She says, “Ssh”
She says
Oh, little China girl
Oh, little China girl
Oh, little China girl
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About
David Robert Jones OAL, known professionally as David Bowie, was an English singer-songwriter and actor. A leading figure in the music industry, Bowie is regarded as one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century.
Born: January 8, 1947, London, United Kingdom
Died: January 10, 2016, New York, NYSpouse: Iman (m. 1992–2016), Angie Bowie (m. 1970–1980)
Children: Alexandria Zahra Jones, Duncan Jones -
At the Zoo
Simon & GarfunkelSomeone told me it’s all happening at the zoo
I do believe it
I do believe it’s true
It’s a light and tumble journey
From the East Side to the park
Just a fine and fancy ramble
To the zoo
But you can take the crosstown bus
If it’s raining or it’s cold
And the animals will love it if you do
If you do, now
Somethin’ tells me it’s all happening at the zoo
I do believe it
I do believe it’s true
The monkeys stand for honesty
Giraffes are insincere
And the elephants are kindly but they’re dumb
Orangutans are skeptical
Of changes in their cages
And the zookeeper is very fond of rum
Zebras are reactionaries
Antelopes are missionaries
Pigeons plot in secrecy
And hamsters turn on frequently
What a gas, you gotta come and see
At the zoo
At the zoo
At the zoo
At the zoo
At the zoo
At the zoo
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Club Sheba Holiday Edition ✨✨
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Since your mom and sis took out the insurance for this trip they may be in good hands. They could wait almost to the last minute to make a decision. What really concerns me more at this point is the flight. No guarantees that their flight will leave and head South. Living in Pa., Nj, NY etc does not give you many options. You hope for the best on the day you leave that the weather is in your favor. Today, it’s not only the weather, but also Covid and the variants. I’m almost positive that the pilot will not be opening any other air vents while in flight and so you would be breathing the same air as everyone else. They may decide to leave a day or so early just to be on the safe side. I also just read on line that they expect 80% of Florida’s population to have the Covid and variants over the next weeks. These include those that have been vaccinated since for some reason they are getting sick also. This is not like the common cold where you experience a sore throat or sniffles a few days after being exposed. This thing takes just a few minutes to get started. If someone is in the room with you and has the disease, it takes less than 24 hours for the symptoms to appear. Doesn’t matter if you are in good health. It strikes everyone and anyone. I know you and I would cancel in a heartbeat. I just pray that your sis and mom will stay in good health.
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