Carol Brodie’s recent ruby and zircon necklace please read
Just an FYI, the Ruby and Zircon necklace that was just presented by Carol Brodie consists of glass filled rubies. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that. If you don’t know what glass filled rubies are, it would probably be in your best interest to look them up online.
YEEK – THANX FOR THE HEADS UP. NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE….
I agree that shoppers should know. I don’t think I said they shouldn’t. Never said otherwise.
Lets be clear though: My ire is with what they are actually called. My issue does not rest with disclosure. Let’s not swap out issues. Every gemstone you buy on this site would require the same disclosures as the rubies. People are using the term natural in a way that can mislead.
Every diamond that airs will need this full disclosure of fracture filling. Every topaz, every quartz, every amethyst, every gemstone deserves the same disclosure. This could be a slippery slope for the industry. This could be one of they still consider it a treatment. Led glass filling is still a treatment to the stone.
I’m not angry, I just don’t back off of what I believe and stick to it until proven otherwise. That’s just me.We all have a right to take information given us whether in part, or in whole and make our own decisions.
Thank you for posting. Not sure why anyone would get irritated. I have always thought that rareities is over priced in my opinion. I do think she should explain more when she is presenting. I am sure that people who enjoy her pieces would purchase anyway. She just needs to explain thats all. No one should be mad.
I am grateful for the educated people that post here, that have the integrity to share this information even though it puts them in an uncomfortable light for a shore time. It speaks volumes. Carol should be explaining this instead of amplifying the magical powers of her designs.
Thanks for posting, Worthington.
I’m sorry my post turned into such an aggressive difference of opinion. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew what they were buying since the specific words “glass filled” were not mentioned on air, to the best of my knowledge. And, I think many of us tend not to pay attention to the fine print in terms of the description online and for those who do not have a computer, how would they know what they are purchasing? I think we all agree that rubies not glass filled are very different from those that are and for those who do not have access to a computer, it is reasonable to believe these rubies are natural.
I would think it’s legal for hsn to not mention this on air or I don’t think they would continue the practice but I, myself, find it highly unethical not to mention it.
Carol Brodie has glass filled stones in her line often and what bothers me is that she actually says she doesn’t understand why the jeweler in the mall is charging thousands of dollars for a ruby of the same size when hers is just as beautiful for a fraction of the cost. To me, that’s just taking it too far and trying to lead customers into believing the quality of the two stones is the same.
Same with Jay King, Studio Barse and their compressed turquoise. Since marketing will spin the truth, although legal, it is important to be aware and informed.
This will be my last post in this thread (unless I must return).
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Worthington, I just wanted to thank you for your considerate and informative post and to apologize for it having devolved into such a…whatever it turned into. You are absolutely correct that it would behoove everyone to become a more informed shopper in regards to jewelry/gemstones. :heart:
There is an article by JCKonline that talks about what the FTC is doing. Please google this. I tried to put the heading in but it wouldn’t allow me to. These are just suggestions and the back and forth goes on for years with the gemological industry.
Of course, no one wants to not know what they are getting. However, if there is no disclosure of the treatment, one should not purchase without a disclosure. If HSN doesn’t disclose glass filling, why buy it?
I have a question:
Are Diamonds that are fracture filled considered diamond? This is done routinely.
This document is a PDF:
IDENTIFICATION AND DURABILITY OF LEAD GLASS–FILLED RUBIES Shane F. McClure, Christopher P. Smith, Wuyi Wang, and Matthew Hall
Please google for it, as I still don’t know how to add a link or if HSN allows one.
Edited to add: The childish clique ish is really unbecoming of grown women.
There are laws that say a seller has to disclose any treatments about a gemstone that is sold. It does not say how prominant that information has to be, but it is a law. If you buy something that was misrepresented to you, you do have legal recourse and I know for a fact that you can win. I won’t drag you all through that. The whole industry hinges on how close they can come to the truth without breaking that law. For example, GIA may call the glass filled rubies ‘manufactured’ but that is just a recommendation to their certified graders and appraisers. I am one. But it is not a law. The law says the term ‘natural’ can be applied to a gem if it came out of the ground, regardless of what happened to it afterward. So a glass filled ruby is a ‘natural, treated’ gem. What you have to look into is the type of treatment and if it’s acceptable to you. A gem that cannot be called natural is a lab created gem, but even that is not ‘synthetic’. It will test as a natural gem because it grew from a crystal of a natural gem and has all the properties of a natural gem. The non-legal term ‘real’ can be applied to lab created rubies so watch for that. Since it is illegal to import rubies from Burma (Myanmar) we have to accept substandard rubies. But even Burma rubies were heat treated. A one caret ruby from Madagascar costs $30 loose retail. A one caret ruby from Burma cost over $800 loose. So how much are you willing to accept? Are you buying for your estate or for your wardrobe? And what choice does the designer or manufacturer have if he/she wants to use a big red stone in their designs. Is a glass filled ruby better than a CZ? We could debate that all day. If you managed to read through all this, my final point is, look for the area that tells you how the gem was treated, by law it has to be somewhere in the description even if they don’t mention it on air. You might have to go on-line to find it. Personally, I think their description, or lack there of, of the metals are as misleading as the gemstone descriptions. Bottom line, “Common and acceptable” is your judgement call, it’s not a legal term no matter how often they say it. If you buy alot of jewelry study up. It’s actually very interesting. One disclamer, I’ve been out of the business for a while so I hope my facts are still straight. Hope this helps some.
Above is information provided by Mixmaster who is a regular poster here.
I’m not advocating glass filled rubies and it should definitely be addressed during the presentations. However, I have several pieces of Rarities that contain large glass filled rubies. There’s no way that I could purchase “real” rubies this size for anything close to the cost of the Rarities rubies. I always read the item descriptions before or right after purchasing an item while there’s still time to cancel the order before 12 p.m. Eastern time.
I did research awhile back on glass filled rubies:)
The Rubies are poor grade and to sell these they fill them with glass:)
I hope this is helpful:)
Thank you for your post and sharing:)
Good call out Wothington!
We should also warn that the 2 other items she aired are also glass filled rubies which she calls “geniune”.
She showed feather earrings and a knife pendant.
Where is the infamous HSN legal team?
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05.26.16 8:49 PM